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The trillion-dollar mystery surrounding DeepSeek’s Nvidia GPUs

There’s a cloud of suspicion hanging over the type and number of Nvidia GPUs DeepSeek used to train its R1 models.

At the center of the story of DeepSeek’s breakthrough achievement with its R1 models lies the Nvidia hardware that powered the servers that trained those models.

In December 2024, DeepSeek researchers released a paper that outlined the development and capabilities of the new DeepSeek-V3 large language model. In the paper, the researchers said they were able to train their powerful, efficient model over 2.78 million GPU hours of computing time on a cluster of only 2,048 Nvidia H800 GPUs. That is a very small number of GPUs for a model that matched or beat OpenAI’s state-of-the-art o1 model in some benchmarks.

For comparison, Meta trained its Llama 3.1 models on two clusters, using a total of 39.3 million GPU hours with 49,152 Nvidia H100 GPUs. Last week, Mark Zuckerberg said that Meta is planning on ending 2025 with over 1.3 million GPUs.

Released in 2023, the H800 is a GPU thats similar to the H100 but is tailored for the Chinese market to comply with US export controls concerning national security parameters that the Biden administration rolled out in 2022. Reuters reported that the main thing Nvidia changed in the H800 was that it “reduced the chip-to-chip data transfer rate to about half the rate.”

But The Wall Street Journal reports that government officials found the H800 exploited technical loopholes that met the strict requirements of the ban, but still gave Chinese buyers very powerful AI chips. To close the loophole, in October 2023, the US government banned the export of H800s as well.

It appears that DeepSeek was able to acquire its H800s during that short window of availability.

DeepSeek’s claims are drawing suspicion from some observers in the AI industry, but most appear to be just speculation. Scale AI CEO Alexandr Wang told CNBC that he suspected DeepSeek has “about 50,000 H100s, which they can’t talk about obviously because it is against the export controls that the United States has put in place,” and in a tweet, Elon Musk replied, “Obviously.” Musk, meanwhile, has bragged about xAI’s “Colossus supercluster,” which is powered by 100,000 H100 GPUs, and that he plans to scale up to 1 million of the expensive Nvidia chips.

There have been reports of H100s being smuggled into China through a series of intermediaries on the black market, but no evidence that DeepSeek did so.

Adding to the confusion, DeepSeek cofounder Liang Wenfeng said that the company does own a cluster of 10,000 Nvidia A100 GPUs, a cheaper and less powerful AI chip.

The H100 has earned a status of being one of the most coveted pieces of computer hardware in the AI age. Even when other chips are used, the power is sometimes expressed as a number of “H100-equivalent” GPUs.

Nvidia is in the process of rolling out its next-gen H200 Blackwell GPUs, and last year CEO Jensen Huang hand-delivered the first DGX H200 server to OpenAI headquarters.

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WSJ: OpenAI plans Q4 IPO in race to be the first AI startup to enter public markets

OpenAI was the first to the generative AI market with ChatGPT, and now it hopes to be the first of its AI startup cohort to pull off an initial public offering, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal. The $500 billion startup is in a race against its $350 billion competitor Anthropic to IPO, who has also been exploring one.

According to the report, OpenAI is in talks with banks to try for a fourth-quarter IPO this year, which has the potential to be one of the largest IPOs ever, in a year that is expected to see many record breaking tech companies make tap into public markets to raise massive new rounds of capital.

Ahead of a potential public listing, OpenAI is reportedly attempting to raise a massive round of private investment. The company is reportedly aiming to raise $100 billion, with Amazon potentially accounting for up to half that target. Other investors in talks with OpenAI over the private fundraising round include Nvidia, Microsoft, and SoftBank.

According to the report, OpenAI is in talks with banks to try for a fourth-quarter IPO this year, which has the potential to be one of the largest IPOs ever, in a year that is expected to see many record breaking tech companies make tap into public markets to raise massive new rounds of capital.

Ahead of a potential public listing, OpenAI is reportedly attempting to raise a massive round of private investment. The company is reportedly aiming to raise $100 billion, with Amazon potentially accounting for up to half that target. Other investors in talks with OpenAI over the private fundraising round include Nvidia, Microsoft, and SoftBank.

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SpaceX is actually considering a merger with Tesla or xAI: Report

Bloomberg reports that Elon Musk’s SpaceX is considering merging with Musk’s Tesla. Earlier today, Reuters had reported that SpaceX was thinking of potentially merging with xAI ahead of SpaceX’s IPO this year.

From Bloomberg:

The firm has discussed the feasibility of a tie-up between SpaceX and Tesla, an idea that some investors are pushing, the people said, asking not to be identified as the information isn’t public. Separately, they are also exploring a tie-up between SpaceX and xAI ahead of an IPO, some of the people said.

Musk’s companies already have numerous relationships between themselves, including most recently Tesla’s $2 billion investment in xAI. At Tesla’s shareholder meeting last year, shareholders voted to invest in the company but the board didn’t approve the measure due to significant abstentions.

In 2024, SpaceX incurred about $2.4 million in expenses under commercial, licensing, and support agreements with Tesla, and Tesla incurred about $800,000 in expenses for Musk’s use of SpaceX’s jet.

From Bloomberg:

The firm has discussed the feasibility of a tie-up between SpaceX and Tesla, an idea that some investors are pushing, the people said, asking not to be identified as the information isn’t public. Separately, they are also exploring a tie-up between SpaceX and xAI ahead of an IPO, some of the people said.

Musk’s companies already have numerous relationships between themselves, including most recently Tesla’s $2 billion investment in xAI. At Tesla’s shareholder meeting last year, shareholders voted to invest in the company but the board didn’t approve the measure due to significant abstentions.

In 2024, SpaceX incurred about $2.4 million in expenses under commercial, licensing, and support agreements with Tesla, and Tesla incurred about $800,000 in expenses for Musk’s use of SpaceX’s jet.

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WSJ: Amazon considering $50 billion investment in OpenAI

What a difference half a day makes. Earlier today, The Information reported that Amazon was considering investing roughly $10 billion to $20 billion in OpenAI as part of a $60 billion fundraising round alongside Nvidia and Microsoft. Now The Wall Street Journal is reporting the e-commerce giant could invest up to $50 billion in the ChatGPT maker as part of a larger, $100 billion funding round. The Financial Times also earlier reported today a $100 billion funding round but with smaller amounts from Nvidia, Microsoft, and Amazon.

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Elon Musk’s SpaceX reportedly in talks to merge with xAI

Tesla CEO Elon Musk is reportedly exploring a merger between SpaceX and his artificial intelligence startup, xAI, a move that would bundle rockets, satellites, the social media site X, and AI under one company ahead of SpaceX’s long-anticipated IPO.

According to Reuters reporting, the deal would swap xAI shares for SpaceX stock, potentially valuing the combined operation north of $1 trillion.

Reuters reports:

Two entities have been set up in Nevada to facilitate the transaction, the person said.

Reuters could not determine the value of the deal, its ‌primary rationale, or its potential timing.

Corporate filings in Nevada show that those entities were set up on January 21. One of them, a limited liability company, lists SpaceX ​and Bret Johnsen, the companys chief financial officer, as managing members, while the other lists Johnsen as the companys only officer, the filings show.

The combined companies could also set the narrative groundwork for putting data centers in space — an idea that Musk and a number of other tech billionaires have been floating lately but that may not get off the ground.

In its earnings filings yesterday, Tesla disclosed that it recently made a $2 billion investment in xAI. Last year, Musk’s xAI bought Musk’s X in an all-stock deal.

Reuters reports:

Two entities have been set up in Nevada to facilitate the transaction, the person said.

Reuters could not determine the value of the deal, its ‌primary rationale, or its potential timing.

Corporate filings in Nevada show that those entities were set up on January 21. One of them, a limited liability company, lists SpaceX ​and Bret Johnsen, the companys chief financial officer, as managing members, while the other lists Johnsen as the companys only officer, the filings show.

The combined companies could also set the narrative groundwork for putting data centers in space — an idea that Musk and a number of other tech billionaires have been floating lately but that may not get off the ground.

In its earnings filings yesterday, Tesla disclosed that it recently made a $2 billion investment in xAI. Last year, Musk’s xAI bought Musk’s X in an all-stock deal.

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