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Tesla is more disconnected from fundamentals than ever

Tesla is having an objectively bad time, but its stock keeps going up.

Rani Molla, Luke Kawa

Tesla has never been a stock whose price has closely tracked its fundamentals, often trading on what seem like hopes and vibes, so-called “animal spirits” factors. But even for Tesla, whose stock is up nearly 30% in the last month, its link with reality seems tenuous these days.

“Its the worst Ive ever seen because the fundamentals have never been as bad,” CEO of GLJ Research and Tesla bear Gordon Johnson told Sherwood News.

Last quarter, Tesla’s revenue fell to a nearly two-year low and it only eked out a profit thanks to regulatory credits. Now that the Trump administration is trying to walk back emissions standards, what little profit is left could disappear.

In 2024, annual vehicle deliveries fell for the first time. They fell last quarter, too. This quarter isn’t shaping up much better, as sales in its three biggest markets — the US, Europe, and China — have also declined.

Tesla’s promise earlier this year to “return to growth in 2025” was expunged from its latest earnings report. Analysts’ consensus estimates on FactSet call for vehicle deliveries and overall revenue to decline this year.

Ryan Brinkman, an analyst at JPMorgan who has long lamented how Tesla’s stock price is divorced from its financial performance, says the outlook for the EV company has “significantly worsened across every metric,” including gross margin, earnings per share, and free cash flow, over the past few months.

So what’s going on with the stock? A few things.

Currently, Tesla is more correlated with the S&P 500 than ever before, so as the stock market goes, so goes Tesla. Retail traders’ interest in momentum stocks is guiding overall price action, while Tesla’s fundamentals have been left by the wayside.

That’s reinforced by strong demand in the options market, where the bulls have been squarely in control since late April. The 21-day moving average for the ratio of puts to calls has sunk close to its lowest levels on record for the stock over the past month, indicating that activity is skewed toward options that benefit from upside in the shares.

But perhaps what’s boosting Tesla’s stock the most is the impending robotaxi launch scheduled for next month, which has raised excitement among Tesla bulls to a fever pitch.

Their hopes for a future where Teslas drive themselves — goaded by robotaxi testing and videos showing full self-driving software improving — has outboxed niggling issues of financial performance and the deterioration of the company’s fundamental business.

“It’s  tangible evidence that’s saying robotaxis are moving from a more theoretical idea to a real product, a real service,” Morningstar equity strategist Seth Goldstein said.

CEO Elon Musk seems to always have some event or product for fans and investors to look forward to in the future. It’s often enough to propel the stock forward until the next big thing. Of course, big expectations can also lead to big disappointments, and Musk is notoriously bad with timelines.

“As we saw last year when Tesla even moved the robotaxi event two months later, we saw the stock sell off,” Goldstein said. “That tells me how much enthusiasm is priced into the stock that everything goes flawlessly with the robotaxi launch. And inevitably when you’re launching a new product, things do not go flawlessly.”

Any bad news surrounding the launch or autonomous driving in general — not getting the appropriate permits, delays, accidents, not scaling unsupervised full self-driving to California and the whole country as promised — could cause the stock to sell off.

“I expect fundamentals to eventually matter,” JPMorgan’s Brinkman tells us — not specifying when, just that it’s inevitable.

As Johnson put it, “ I have seen companies where the stocks have become detached from reality, but I’ve never seen a company where the stocks stay detached from reality.”

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Apple to pay Google $1 billion a year for access to AI model for Siri

Apple plans to pay Google about $1 billion a year to use the search giant’s AI model for Siri, Bloomberg reports. Google’s model — at 1.2 trillion parameters — is way bigger than Apple’s current models.

The deal aims to help the iPhone maker improve its lagging AI efforts, powering a new Siri slated to come out this spring.

Apple had previously been considering using OpenAI’s ChatGPT and Anthropic’s Claude, but decided in the end to go with Google as it works toward improving its own internal models. Google, which makes a much less widely sold phone, the Pixel, has succeeded in bringing consumer AI to smartphone users where Apple has failed.

Google’s antitrust ruling in September helped safeguard the two companies’ partnerships — including the more than $20 billion Google pays Apple each year to be the default search on its devices — as long as they aren’t exclusive.

Apple had previously been considering using OpenAI’s ChatGPT and Anthropic’s Claude, but decided in the end to go with Google as it works toward improving its own internal models. Google, which makes a much less widely sold phone, the Pixel, has succeeded in bringing consumer AI to smartphone users where Apple has failed.

Google’s antitrust ruling in September helped safeguard the two companies’ partnerships — including the more than $20 billion Google pays Apple each year to be the default search on its devices — as long as they aren’t exclusive.

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Netflix creates new made-up metric for advertisers

It’s not quite WeWork’s community-adjusted EBITDA but it’s also not quite a real number: Netflix announced today that it has 190 million “monthly active viewers” for its lower-cost advertising tiers. The company came up with MAVs by measuring the number of subscribers who’ve watched “at least 1 minute of ads on Netflix per month” and multiplies that by what its research assumes is the number of people in that household.

The metric builds on Netflix’s previous attempt at measuring ad viewership, monthly active users, which is the number of profiles that have watched ads (94 million as of May). The MAV measurement, of course, is a lot bigger and bigger numbers are more attractive to advertisers, who are spending more and more on streaming platforms.

“After speaking to our partners, we know that what they want most is an accurate, clear, and transparent representation of who their ads are reaching,” Netflix President of Advertising Amy Reinhard explained in a press release. “Our move to viewers means we can give a more comprehensive count of how many people are actually on the couch, enjoying our can’t-miss series, films, games and live events with friends and family.”

Netflix last reported its long-followed and more easily understood paid membership numbers at the beginning of the year, when it crossed 300 million.

The metric builds on Netflix’s previous attempt at measuring ad viewership, monthly active users, which is the number of profiles that have watched ads (94 million as of May). The MAV measurement, of course, is a lot bigger and bigger numbers are more attractive to advertisers, who are spending more and more on streaming platforms.

“After speaking to our partners, we know that what they want most is an accurate, clear, and transparent representation of who their ads are reaching,” Netflix President of Advertising Amy Reinhard explained in a press release. “Our move to viewers means we can give a more comprehensive count of how many people are actually on the couch, enjoying our can’t-miss series, films, games and live events with friends and family.”

Netflix last reported its long-followed and more easily understood paid membership numbers at the beginning of the year, when it crossed 300 million.

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Ahead of Musk’s pay package vote, Tesla’s board says they can’t make him work there full time

Ahead of Tesla’s CEO compensation vote at its annual shareholder meeting tomorrow, The Wall Street Journal did a deep dive into how Elon Musk, who stands to gain $1 trillion if he stays at Tesla and hits a number of milestones, spends his time.

Like a similar piece from The New York Times in September, this one has a lot of fun details. Read it all, but here are some to tide you over:

  • Musk spent so much time at xAI this summer that he held meetings there with Tesla employees.

  • He personally oversaw the design of a sexy chatbot named Ani, who sports pigtails and skimpy clothes and for whom “employees were compelled to turn over their biometric data” to train.

  • The chatbot, which users can ask to “change into lingerie or fantasize about a romantic encounter with them,” has helped boost user numbers, which are still way lower than ChatGPT’s.

  • Executives and board members have told top investors in the past few weeks that they can’t make Musk work at Tesla full time. Board Chair Robyn Denholm explained that in his free time, Musk “likes to create companies, and they’re not necessarily Tesla companies.”

Like a similar piece from The New York Times in September, this one has a lot of fun details. Read it all, but here are some to tide you over:

  • Musk spent so much time at xAI this summer that he held meetings there with Tesla employees.

  • He personally oversaw the design of a sexy chatbot named Ani, who sports pigtails and skimpy clothes and for whom “employees were compelled to turn over their biometric data” to train.

  • The chatbot, which users can ask to “change into lingerie or fantasize about a romantic encounter with them,” has helped boost user numbers, which are still way lower than ChatGPT’s.

  • Executives and board members have told top investors in the past few weeks that they can’t make Musk work at Tesla full time. Board Chair Robyn Denholm explained that in his free time, Musk “likes to create companies, and they’re not necessarily Tesla companies.”

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Motion Picture Association to Meta: Stop saying Instagram teen content is “PG-13”

In October, Meta announced that its updated Instagram Teen Accounts would by default limit content to the “PG-13” rating.

The Motion Picture Association, which created the film rating standard, was not happy about Meta’s use of the rating, and sent the company a cease and desist letter, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal.

The letter from MPA’s law firm reportedly said the organization worked for decades to earn the public’s trust in the rating system, and it does not want Meta’s AI-powered content moderation failures to blow back on its work:

“Any dissatisfaction with Meta’s automated classification will inevitably cause the public to question the integrity of the MPA’s rating system.”

Meta told the WSJ that it never claimed or implied the content on Instagram Teen Accounts would be certified by the MPA.

The letter from MPA’s law firm reportedly said the organization worked for decades to earn the public’s trust in the rating system, and it does not want Meta’s AI-powered content moderation failures to blow back on its work:

“Any dissatisfaction with Meta’s automated classification will inevitably cause the public to question the integrity of the MPA’s rating system.”

Meta told the WSJ that it never claimed or implied the content on Instagram Teen Accounts would be certified by the MPA.

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Dan Ives expects “overwhelming shareholder approval” of Tesla CEO pay package

Wedbush Securities analyst Dan Ives, like prediction markets, thinks Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s $1 trillion pay package will receive “overwhelming shareholder approval” at the company’s annual shareholder meeting Thursday afternoon. The Tesla bull, like the Tesla board, has maintained that approval of the performance-based pay package is integral to keeping Musk at the helm of the company, which in turn is integral to the success of the company. Ives is also confident that investors will back the proposal allowing Tesla to invest in another of Musk’s companies, xAI.

“We expect shareholders to show overwhelming support tomorrow for Musk and the xAI stake further turning Tesla into an AI juggernaut with the autonomous and robotics future on the horizon,” Ives wrote in a note this morning.

The compensation package has received pushback, including from Tesla’s sixth-biggest institutional investor, Norway’s Norges Bank Investment Management, and from proxy adviser Institutional Shareholder Services.

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